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How I think the rocket facility should have played
voxel
#1 Posted : 05 May 2012 16:24:19(UTC)
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I love the shooting in this game but I wish there was more planning and creeping and a bit less action. In my opinion, the rocket facility is the best example of a map with lots of fun stealthing potential simply wasted.


Objective: "Enter the Facility Unnoticed"

This would require secretly sniping the guard towers. I would have put another unreachable tower or two with a guard in them to make this a little more fun - at least one tower over 400m away from where the player starts. The player would have to either aim very well or sneak in closer to the furthest tower to eliminate the watch.

After that, the court yard would only have a couple of guards maybe the one at the front gate and a pair that patrol together. The point is that the player will be able to sneak by them by staying in cover.

Objective: "Place Explosives Undetected"

The player must sneak through the facility and place explosives inside the tunnels. There would be fewer guards (like half) in the tunnels and they would be more spaced out - allowing for stealth kills and avoidance. Maybe a few preoccupied workers could be scattered around who are unarmed but can raise an alarm - just to break things up.

Objective: "Reach a Sniping Location"

Once the explosives are planted, the way point directs the player to one of the two reachable towers. The player gets into a guard tower and waits under cover (this is why you cleared them in the beginning!) Then the planted explosives go off and the player watches as the guards, workers, and scientists all evacuate the tunnels in a panic.

Objective: "Kill the Scientist in the White Lab Coat"

As the plant begins to suffer multiple small explosions, two trucks arrive along the road which the player first entered to evacuate the people. About half of the guards board the first truck and immediately start to leave the area while the scientists and workers start boarding the second truck just after the first starts to leave.

If you kill the guards by destroying the first truck, the remaining guards are alerted but the scientists and workers will continue their evacuation procedure.

The idea is that the player would have about a 30 seconds to find the target in the courtyard and eliminate him before he boards the truck (he is one of the first to board). Once on the truck, the player then has about 15 seconds to hit the second truck's fuel cap before it leaves the area and the player fails the missions main objective.

If you don't want to have a dozen angry and aware guards blocking your only escape route the player will have to wait in cover for one of the mini-explosions to drown out the sound of the kill-shot.

Objective: "Escape"

The player either kills the few remaining guards if they were alerted or otherwise sneaks past them to reach the last way point and the map ends.

Jon
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#2 Posted : 05 May 2012 20:00:47(UTC)
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Sounds good to me. Although, the fact that you earn points for killing people coupled with the fact that there is a leader board for said points indicates to me that the developers never really meant there to be a strong focus on stealth. Perhaps if points were deducted for number of alarms or points were added for not being seen, etc.
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ch0pp3r on 08/05/2012(UTC)
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#3 Posted : 08 May 2012 06:34:36(UTC)
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I agree with SinMagic.

Also, when i played this in singleplayer, i had great fun stealthing into the facility. Sneaking in while assassinating and evading guards on that mission is not only possible, but really fun ^_^

Also, i see absolutely no reason for random guard towers being 200 metres outside of the base ^_^ (except for giving you free ultra-long range kills)

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#4 Posted : 08 May 2012 06:44:32(UTC)

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It would have been good to have had to choose a play style for each mission.
Example: Choose mission, then difficulty, then play style; either points or stealth. Points would play like it does and stealth would give you more points for neck breaks and stealth kills, and subtract points for alarms raised etc.

I might make a few vids; trying to stealth through every mission.
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Matt1945 on 18/05/2012(UTC)
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#5 Posted : 10 May 2012 03:31:59(UTC)
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I like the idea of 400m+ guard towers. I played the original back on the old Xbox, and I was really disappointed that this version did not really have any kill opportunities over 300m.
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#6 Posted : 10 May 2012 04:06:46(UTC)

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I agree with You Voxel.. that would have been a true Sniper Elite way of playing that map.
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#7 Posted : 18 May 2012 18:57:16(UTC)

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Sounds cool though I just replayed the V2 Facility ( Mittlewerk Facility) and I sniped using the loudspeaker sounds and machinery sounds to kill everyone outside stealthy. In fact I killed everyone so well and quietly masking my shots that no machine gunnner ever got on the entrance MG nor did back up germans come to their aid. I also laid a few traps for the trucks of germans when I returned from the bunker. Though sadly trying to stealth the whole way through the bunker is either near or totally impossible. There is a thin chance you can get to the radio room without being spotted and almost no chance after and during the radio srction to not get shot or hit by the germans. I never died on this runthrough of the mission but in total I got shot 3-5 times. Atleast 2 times with MP40 rounds and once with a Geweher 43 round. I might have taken a round more from the Geweher but i'm pretty sure that was just it hitting my thompson on my back. (Yes thats possible)
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#8 Posted : 20 May 2012 01:13:38(UTC)

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Matt1945 wrote:
Sounds cool though I just replayed the V2 Facility ( Mittlewerk Facility) and I sniped using the loudspeaker sounds and machinery sounds to kill everyone outside stealthy. In fact I killed everyone so well and quietly masking my shots that no machine gunnner ever got on the entrance MG nor did back up germans come to their aid. I also laid a few traps for the trucks of germans when I returned from the bunker. Though sadly trying to stealth the whole way through the bunker is either near or totally impossible. There is a thin chance you can get to the radio room without being spotted and almost no chance after and during the radio srction to not get shot or hit by the germans. I never died on this runthrough of the mission but in total I got shot 3-5 times. Atleast 2 times with MP40 rounds and once with a Geweher 43 round. I might have taken a round more from the Geweher but i'm pretty sure that was just it hitting my thompson on my back. (Yes thats possible)



LOL I actually took 3 hours because I failed a few times but I killed everyone stealthy and only got spotted by a man of a 2 person patrol. I lived but sadly him and 2 of his friends attacked me forcing me to use my thompson. I had 13 covert kills and 100 percent Scoped Shot accuracy and only got shot about 5-7 times throughout the whole mission. 2-3 times when i was spotted and 3 times while in the radio room while once when at the end on the mg and again by a sniper. So possible but hard. lol
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Well, I finished the game all stealth on my 1st Playthrough and only died twice, it's really easy to me to use stealth, you just need ALOT of pacience...
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#10 Posted : 16 August 2012 09:19:34(UTC)

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Egyptian wrote:
Well, I finished the game all stealth on my 1st Playthrough and only died twice, it's really easy to me to use stealth, you just need ALOT of pacience...

good for you sir. Well done. Dedication pays.
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#11 Posted : 16 August 2012 09:49:58(UTC)

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Egyptian wrote:
Well, I finished the game all stealth on my 1st Playthrough and only died twice, it's really easy to me to use stealth, you just need ALOT of pacience...


on PS3,Xbox or PC?
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#12 Posted : 16 August 2012 14:31:55(UTC)

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SEV2admin wrote:
Egyptian wrote:
Well, I finished the game all stealth on my 1st Playthrough and only died twice, it's really easy to me to use stealth, you just need ALOT of pacience...

good for you sir. Well done. Dedication pays.


Thank You. BigGrin
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#13 Posted : 16 August 2012 14:35:23(UTC)

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mechamike wrote:
Egyptian wrote:
Well, I finished the game all stealth on my 1st Playthrough and only died twice, it's really easy to me to use stealth, you just need ALOT of pacience...


on PS3,Xbox or PC?


PC, also, I took 4 hours, 30 Minutes to complete the campaign, and it was hard as hell to stealth around on the Mittlewerk Facility, and I died there once, my other death was on the Prolouge Mission (hey, I was new, OK?), the tank DESTROYED ME.
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